Is the structural racist system in America "Fait Accompli"?
This questions stems from the attitude of many Black men and women who believe any effort to bring down the structural racist system in America is futile. Some of us have giving up and to others it is exhausting to even thinking about destroying the “system”.
The system of course is not government it is the culture of America rooted in White Supremacy and Black inferiority that manifest itself in the strangest of places. Like on that new boxing reality show that was on last night. There was a white boxer who expressed his belief that he is not taking serious because he was not from the “Ghetto” like the Blacks and Mexicans boxers and while they grew up fighting for survival and as means to get out of the Ghetto, he and other white folk grew up with a book in their hand and we all know there are no books in the Ghetto. Another example is something said by Michael Savage on his radio show yesterday; He was discussing the suicide rate at NYU by many of the students versus the suicide rate at other colleges and universities in NY. One of the things he said may have led to the high suicide rate at NYU is the drug use on campus being that NYU is closer to Harlem, they can get stronger drugs a lot easier thus those “Niggers” in Harlem are responsible for the suicides at NYU.
“Fait Accompli is defined as; an accomplished, presumably irreversible fact or deed. It is a fact that America is built on and continues to maintain a structural racist system. The question is, can it be reversed or should we seek amalgamation commonly referred to as integration. Amalgamation better defines what is called integration because integration in America means assimilating into the dominant or majority culture.
The structural racist system in America is not “Fait Accompli” but in order for us to reverse and or destroy it, there must be unity amongst Black men and women around those things that have insured our survival through the times in which we were otherwise a defeated people. As I read many of the Negro Cons articles today, it became clearer to me that they refer to those of us that speak on the injustices in America by way of its structural racist system as having a victim attitude all the while overlooking their defeatist thinking and attitude. If there is one thing Larry Elder, Thomas Sowell and John McWhorter have in common it is their defeatist thinking and hatred of self and kind. The Negro-Cons believe the structural racist system is “Fait Accompli” thus they would rather defend it than fight it, and in order to insure there survival in this system they must do the bidding of the system which empowers the system. The honor and integrity of our ancestors can not be compromised, and being a defeated Negro is doing just that. Uniting around those things that have insured our survival in this country since we were first dragged to these shores is the only way to prove the structural racist system in America is not “Fait Accompli”.
posted by Faheem @ 9/08/2004 11:44:00 AM
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23 Comments:
Its not insightful at all, America is racist BFD. We are doing all we can beside kill whitey to fix it.
The real question becomes, what is your action plan. So far all of I have heard from you guys is lets not vote this election.
Or is the plan a secrete that whitey can't know about. Us negro cons have a plan. Its call get your fucking act together, don't have kids until you are married and have a job, push for school vochers so we can fund our own schools, work for products such as tax advantaged savings accounts that will allow us to build wealth but a home and be vigilant in protecting our rights.
Did you not read the essay on this blog about "Women who like to keep the ____ up inside of them"? Of course you did, but you failed to comment on it because you do not want to accept that so-called liberals believe in those same things that you just lamented. I am not a liberal...I don't defend them...per se...I am also not a conservative. Thus, how do you reconcile that I agree with those things, will not accepting that such thinking is exclusive to the conservative club? If you had comprehension, you will not that this forum is not about liberal vs conservative...as you want to shape every issue. That is the whites game. The issue for blacks, is that of blacks aspiration in the context of living in a white supremacy system. Both liberal and Conservatives whites are afflicted with white supremacy cognitions. So you need to truncate all that conservative liberal BS that you be talkin...you sound like a parrot in a white persons cribe...sqwaaaaaak.
All you have heard is "lets not vote"? Clearly you have not been reading all that we have written. Furthermore before we can discuss any kind of solutions with you, we have to agree on the cause of the problem. If I offer a solution to a problem it is going to be based on what I think caused the problem. If you and I do not agree on the cause of the problem then how can we agree on a solution.
The steps to ending black problems are: Problem, Cause, Solution and implementation.
Does any of the garbage you and your Negro-Con buddies offer us address the cause of the problem? Do Vouchers address the cause of the problem in the public school system or does it treat symptoms of the Problem? Scott you have a lot to learn and if you keep coming to this Blog you are sure to learn.
Yes Brothers...If you map his reasoning back to the days of slavery...Such explains why there were a few Negroes in Charleston and New Orleans...who actually owned slaves too. They did not fight the system...they simply adapted to it in there quest for profit and status. These were the Negro-Cons of the early 1800's. There is little abstract differnce, given that both profit from selling out their people. Simply going with the flow of the system may work, as it did for those black slave owners..but in doing so...you must accept the truthful label that goes with such turncoat behavior. You cannot expect to be accepted by the masses of black folks...when you are working against them. Do you think that the black slave owners found rationalization for their behavior? I bet they figured out a way of thinking that concluded they were actually helping black folks, by helping themselves.
I have yet to see any kind of plan on your part.
I see no vision, I just see two black men (or do you prefer african-american or just african) complaining about whitety.
I have seen you misrepresenting my point by putting wording into my mouth such as " to be approved of and accepted in WHITE American society" and idea that has never crossed my blog. The point is wether you choose a black nationalist "malcom X" plan or and classic liberal intergration plan everything I have mentioned will help black people.
I am amused by you call for more and more government when government has been the tool for oppressing blacks for most of our history. The victory of the civil right movement was making government oppression illegal. Thought it still exist especially in our public schools. And many old laws that were designed to oppress blacks that have never been repealed.
So show some fucking courage, put up a post that is not about bitching, but that is about a vision and a plan for getting there.
Noah: thanks for point out your essay "Did you not read the essay on this blog about "Women who like to keep the ____ up inside of them"? Of course you did," Becaue I didn't read it, but it was good to see you advocating marriage I was suprised that you place the blame on the women. You were actually sounding a little fire and brimstone there.
But again I ask what is your plan, what is your vision.
Scott you are doing as all Negro-Cons do when they realize they can not defeat us intellectually; you now want to talk solutions as if you have a chance of intellectually defeating us in that area. Here is what you do not know Scott, we have dealt with individuals far brighter than you and they resorted to the same tactics and they are still licking their wounds.
Secondly, this Blog have dealt more with turncoats and handkerchief head Negroes like yourself more than we have whitey. Proclaiming all you have read are two individuals complaining about whitey is a knee jerk reaction that you use throughout your life when Black folk challenge your idiocy.
You want to talk solutions, we can do that but as I said in order for a solution to be accepted we must first agree on the cause of the problem. You name the problem and I will give you a solution based on what causes it and not a solution that pacifies, or capitulate to white supremacy or Eurocentrism.
Name your Problem and I will write a thesis on what causes it and then I will provide you with real world solutions and I am certain Brother Noah and Nmaginate will be happy to do the same.
Wow ad homine attacks how productive.
You already mentioned the problem the Racist system of
America. So how do you propose to fix it ?
Scott, no one has failed to present a plan on this forum. Have you ever considered that you simply look past what you do not want to see?
That fact that you presented some plan or ideas, does not therefore make that plan feasable. Things that look good on paper often fail the test in practice. As the Brothers said...you give us an issue and we will give you a plan. Now the ball is in your court...so lets here it?
Also Scott, in the piece about women...you say that I am sounding like I am blaming women. First, the term blame is an emotional one. It has no place in logical reasoning. I tend to deal in cause and effect. Every effect has its causes. You see cause and effect on social issues as the blame game and victim syndrom, in order to turn a logical debate emotional..and thus get no where. In truth, I blame this on the dominant culture and society, that we simply exist within. We get our condition as a result of a reaction to or emulation of white society. THat is the CAUSE of our current effect.
You said "However, many young females are engaged in a competition for males that makes them feel compelled to do things that they really have reservations about. They do it because they feel they have no chance at keeping the guy, because other women will do it if they do not."
Then later "women need to therefore restrict intercourse to marriage."
Why don't you just stand behind what you said.
Anyway back to the main point so how do you propose we change America's racist system.
Scott, before we actually talk about empowering Black men and women living under a structurally racist system in America, I have to ask. Do we agree that America is structurally racist as it relates to Black men and women in America. If you agree that it is structurally racist then we can talk about the cause and affects of it then move to solutions. If you do not believe America is structurally racist then it would be a waste of time trying to explain to you ways in which we can empower Black men and women living in a structurally racist system.
So the question is do you believe America is structurally racist and because it is structurally racist many of the institutions developed in this country are racist institutions that seek to maintain the infrastructure upon which it is built and the ideology of white supremacy that fuels it.
Mind you, the discussion of America being structurally racist will cover many things and as much as I would like, I will not be able to articulate in one message as to how America's structurally racist system affect all facets of Black life in America socialized under its racist system.
Thus, after you agree that America is structurally racist, I will focus first on Education and how it has been affected by America's structurally racist system.
I will give you time to respond because it will take time to put my thoughts down after your response.
An interesting thing about Scott comments that we need to get our chit together is I just had another fool say damn near the exact same thing on a forum, except this knuckle head said Black folk can overcome our condition with family values and community values as if the lack of those things is what created our condition. I wrote in response to this fool;
"If Family and community values can overcome poverty we would have been rich long ago, Furthermore a belief that family values is the solution would have to mean the lack of family values is the problem, and where we do not see this problem their must be a great sense of family and community value. Are we to believe every affluent community is full of people with a great sense of family and community value? We have seen the children that come from these communities who demonstrate to us time and time again that they lack home training. Thus these elusive values you believe will change our community are absent from communities that do not have our problems, thus I ask how can the lack of these values be the cause of our problems."
You can read the whole thread here...
http://www.cocoalounge.org/viewthread.php?tid=6512
Scott, I do not necessarily subscribe to dismantling the white racist system. I tend to focus on my/our greatest sphere of influence, which is us. My perspective is that black people should become impervious to the white racist system. I do not believe that we can do that while simultaneous being dependant upon it. Thus, my solution is and has always been rooted in building up black nations…to offer disgruntled black folk a viable economic options, other than systems that white folks create and run in the West.
I am a firm believer that what the black world needs is a role model, in the form of a nation, that is successful. Currently, when blacks in this world define success geographically, it is always seen in the context of living in a white run and dominated nation and structure. We do not see success with a totally black face, when only see it when whites are running things and making crumbs for us to eat. This is why my ultimate plan is one that deal with a brain and capital infusion, by western Blacks, into a targeted black nation for uplift.
If there is another viable option for black folk to live…we could then say Puck America…and its racist system. With the growth of China and India in future economic power, we can then develop new trade relations that are not dependant upon the racist West.
NmagiNATE you are the most long winded, nothing saying brother on the web I have met yet. I am impressed. Faheem the master of the ineffective insult and of no ideas. Since neither of you have nothing to say I just want you to know I am not addressing you.
So this comment is directed to Noah TA. The idea of a successful black nation is interesting I to have played around with the idea. But I ask you why do you define a nation as a geographic entity. Even assuming you can find some land to run your country, and assuming whatever non-capitalist economy is running and is sucessful what makes you think that I would make any difference to blacks in America, and that is if America, the IMF and multinational corporation don't actively go about destroying it.
I wonder if you have picked such a fanciful idea so that you would never be forced to action by reality.
Could you imagine a organization a corporation/church/non-profit/union that services the black community, that employes the black community that produces products for the black comminity. The goal would be simple to make lives of its members better than those of average americans.
I could start simply as a group of people that give advice. It make sure that you take every benifit that you can get from the government wether foodstamps or EITC, it would allow people to get food in bulk to save money. I would help single blacks mothers to for cooperatives where they could share housing and child care. I would help people collectivly purchase homes so they aren't giving away their money in rent. And to gether build up wealth and power.
I ask could you imagine it ?
And if so would it be something worth working for ?
Ok,,,, affter being asked a direct question, you chose not to answer which says to me you really do not want to have this discussion.
Thanks for proving my point about the Negro-Con..
So Mr. F you can be brief. You should do it more.
My proposition does not involve “creating” an nation. Thus, I do not need to find any land. My proposition is to infuse intellectual, technical and monetary capital into an EXISTING black nation. For example, Togo, Benin, Haiti or other small black nations that can easily reflect the fruits of such efforts. A nation as large as Nigeria would not work, because there is not enough black capital in the West to turn that nations fortunes, with so many people.
In creating such a nation, one would first have to start by setting and managing expectations and defining success to be something different in degree or kind from that of the West. Of course, living on a planet dominated by the West will still mean that such a nation would have much interaction with the West. I do not think that one can escape that. If the nation can feed all its citizens and provide them with jobs, education and a descent standard of living by world standards, then such a nation would be successful.
Whatever you employ in America, the white folks will somehow be given credit. I remember something I hear some Africans say, while I was visiting Africa. It was in response to the some Blacks from Britain who were attempting to ignore the solicitations of some Africans selling things. One got offended and asked the lady if she thought she was better than them simply because she amongst white people? He was very serious in his question. Nearly everything that blacks accomplish in America will be linked to having a white run country, economy and government.
Think about it. How successful would YOUR proposed idea be, if it were not in the USA? How successful would it manifest in Nigeria or Ghana? Your idea may have some merits, but it still exist on the “White Ship” and everything that happens on the white ship will be seen as the fruits of whiteness. That is why I propose helping a black ship become more buoyant. I do not think that there is anything that can match the psychological benefit that can manifest with blacks around the world, if there was a strong, black and successful nation. Blacks in America do not want to be associated with other blacks around the world because they see them as failures and they do not want be connected with them.
But wont they see the blacks from America who are "helping" imperialist in the same way blacks from America were seen that way in liberia. Yes there were white men behind the liberia project.
But wont their own nationalism get in the way of you being able to help in a significant way ?
Of course they would and should be suspect of outsiders…I know I would. That is why winning their trust should be tantamount. The worst thing that could manifest is if outsiders come and try to run things, disrespecting and usurping the natives. Once people see that you are not their to use them or compete with them, but rather, embrace them with mutual respect and opportunity, then a lot of suspicion will wane. I think that blacks in America and South Africa have the capital to pull something like that off. The one thing that blacks could not do is to go their and isolate themselves in exclusivity, not mingling about with the average person of that nation.
The other thing that I want to mention is this idea that something that failed once is bound to fail again. I am a firm believer that failure leads to success, because there are valuable lessons learned from failure that can offer wisdom for success. The fact that Liberia failed offers many lessons on what not to do. Had we not had that piece of history…the act may have been repeated. Fortunately or unfortunately, that history is there for lesson.
Well good luck with your nation building. I think the experience will show you that most projects fail not because of some outside force but because of internal stresses.
So...given that theory...what makes you think that depending on the USA is safer in the long run? I do believe that the USA will rot from the inside...as well...Don't you?
USA evolves, so it will be here in the long run but it wont be the same country. Imagine the shock Alexander hamilton would have seeing America today.
Its a different place. While many countries are basically the same.
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