October 22, 2004


Study shows Whites More Likely To Misidentify Tools As Guns When Linked To Black Faces:

...they hope it begins to shed light on how subtle racial biases may help lead to situations in which police accidentally shoot unarmed minorities.

Uhhhhh...just listen to what black folks have been saying for years and save money on all these studies! Free Tip of the day.

People don’t have to be bigots to be under the influence of racial bias.....

Yep...we have been trying to tell white folks that for years...but they think that racism = hate and bigotry.

Payne and his colleagues conducted two related experiments in which white and Asian Americans viewed on a computer screen a picture of a man, quickly followed by a picture of a either a tool or a gun. Both pictures were visible for only about a fifth of a second each.

When asked to identify – within less than one second -- whether the second picture was a tool or a gun, participants were much more likely to misidentify a tool as a gun when the preceding picture was that of an African American.

They were more likely to misidentify a gun as a tool when the preceding picture was that of a white man.

Uhhhh...no slit..what an epipheny!

The results show how unconscious bias against blacks may affect decision-making in cases of extreme time pressure, Payne said. The reason, at least in these experiments, has to do with failures to control bias under time pressure, not distorted perceptions of what’s being seen.

This displays what I have theorized, which is that most whites are subconsciously racist but consciously aware that racism is viewed as morally reprehensible, thus the conscious works to correct or control the subconscious beliefs. The subconscious is at the instinctive level because it needs to promote survival by processing external stimuli to sensory inputs rapidly. However, the conscious processes information much slower. Thus, the way to reveal the level of white racism is by not allowing the conscious to try to compensate or hide what exist in the subconscious. The subconscious is what you really believe and feel because it is the stored resultant of all sensory inputs and lessons of life in order that one can make quick life saving instinctive decisions.

As I and we on this blog have been saying all along….most whites are racist due to their subconscious beliefs, but most whites feel they are not racist do to their conscious efforts to see themselves as bad people…its called DENIAL.

See the full article/study


At 10:20 AM, Blogger Faheem said...

How ironic, I was looking over some of my old writings from TBWT a week or so ago and found a post I did on this very subject. I will post it when I get home, but this study says the same as the old studies done by two College Profesors.

At 1:15 PM, Blogger Noah TA said...

It is interesting and telling which essay topics inspire or insite the most comments. Here is a study that shows how white racism against blacks manifest subliminaly if not consciously, yet, you can hear the crickets chearp from the silence from NegroCons and our white reading audience.

Usually when there have been objective proof...one gets silence...but when there is conjecture or without scientific study to back it up...the dissenters come out the wood work to imply that racism exist...but has no negative effects that need to be offset and that we are simply suffering from the "victim syndrom".

At 1:41 PM, Blogger Scott said...

Its a know fact, there is nothing to discuss.

I do wish the experiment had also tested black viewers.

To find out if it the whole society which is racist, or just white people in society.

Imagine if they ran the test and they found that black people saw guns even more often. What would that result mean.

But they were wise, don't ask questions you don't already know the answer to otherwise you won't give you money to do the research.

Here is a topic I would like to see. How big should our reparation check be ?

I know its just a thought experiment for now, but I find it very telling.

Here was an old post i made about it. I going to make another one on my blog later today.

At 2:08 PM, Blogger Noah TA said...

Why would it be interesting to know if blacks associated blacks with guns more than tools? Do we not also live under the system of white supremacy and imagery? You must not be aware of the Doll test done on black youths in the 50’s and later in the 80’s when black kids preferred white doll over black dolls because they had been socialized (by white supremacy) to have negative connotation regarding black.

Hell…how do you think you became a self hating Negrocon Scott? You are also a victim of white supremacy gone astray…to the degree that you are now parroting white supremacy rhetoric cloaked in political conservatism.

At 10:52 PM, Blogger Scott said...

because the study says "Study shows Whites More Likely To Misidentify Tools As Guns When Linked To Black Faces:" not people who grow up in America.

Another interesting test, Americans vs. French or Hatians.

The point is the study doesn't add any knowledge to the world because its was a poorly constructed experiment.

At 4:55 AM, Blogger Noah TA said...

That is BS Scott. What is shows is that living under white supremacy conditions people to accept the belief of black inferiority, regardless of race (see the Asian used in the test).

More importantly it shows the people who are always denying that they are racist...are indeed often racist.

At 9:30 AM, Blogger NmagiNATE said...

____________ NOAH _____________________________
Scott's reaction and typical "it's poorly constructed research" response is rather ironic in light of his Black Inferiority Complex evidence by his insistent "Blacks just mastered it" remarks when the subject was American devaluing education via the Black "Acting White" discussion.

He seems to think that if Blacks share the same negative attitudes as Whites do about themselves that that somehow off-sets or justifies or exonerates Whites... Well, it goes without saying that that is his M.O. - to exonerate Whites even when proven "racist". What else is new?
............ SCOTT ................
Noah explained to you how such a study with or without Black testers is not spoiled in any way by Black respose data of any sort. Matter of fact, in opinion polls that include Black testers where Black-on-Black attitudes result in significant self-negative views those things are noted as "surprising" especially when they are held up against the backdrop of other related data - i.e. those those negative views are inconsistent with other related views.

SCOTT's cynical assertion about research monies and motives is laughable. Laughably fraudalent when books like The Bell Curve become Bestsellers... Somebody had to pay for that research. Somebody knew that the funding would be there for that too. Hmmm....

The fact the researchers specifically wanted to measure the attitudes of Whites in no wise makes their study flawed as Scott would like to suggest. It's as if Scott wants to suggest that there is such a thing as a moral equivalence between White "racist" attitudes and comparable attitudes on race from Blacks. Studies with both Black and White testers consistently show this notion to be false. It goes without saying that White racial views (toward Blacks) are more negative than the reverse.

A look at views about racial diversity particularly in places where people ideally would like to live explodes this notion and off-set those ideas that somehow a study that focuses - for the sake of measuring known White "racist" views - on Whites is somehow flawed because Blacks were not equally included.

______ STUDY ON: Prejudice & Punishment ____________

______ Article clips on Residential Prejudices _______

The first link I believe shows how this is all related.

At 9:37 AM, Blogger NmagiNATE said...

“When people agree on an issue for different reasons, we call that a false consensus...”


It is this FALSE CONSENSUS that Scott is trying to reference and assert as something that amounts to things held completely 'in common' when it comes to Black and White attitudes intersecting.

But, of course, that's unsurprisingly typical of his superficial analyses on almost everything.

At 9:50 AM, Blogger NmagiNATE said...

The sad part about it, and one that proves your point about SCOTT Noah... is that his argument (to the extent that you can call it one) doesn't really refute the study's findings it merely calls them into question from his own subjective opinion about it.

Scott pretends only by suggestion that since the study didn't include Black testers, etc. that is hence flawed and its results therefore useless... But this is only by his subjective suggestion.

Instead of producing a similar type of study or data that revealed different results... actual data that would contradict the findings of the study referenced here... SCOTT hopes that by merely casting aspersions that one will assume the study is contradicted in some scholarly way.

Well, we know it is not and Scott cannot and will not produce anything, whether a conflicting study or actual conflicting data, that scientifically contradicts either the methodology or the results of the study.

Instead of hoping that links will articulate what he can't Noah... Scott hopes that by merely claiming the study is flawed that that suggestion alone will stand as the approximate defense and counter to what we know to be against his M.O.

At 10:12 AM, Blogger Noah TA said...

Yes, whites generally feel that if blacks are guilty of seeing other blacks in a similar way as whites, that it exonerates them. That is the primary reason that the like to use and promote NegroCons to speak out in a conservative voice condemning the black masses and their problems to be the cause of personal irresponsibility and not linked to the effects of past or present racism. This, they hope, works to exonerate them from the guilt or suspicion of racist motives, because it is parroted from the mouths of blacks.

White supremacy is a self-fulfilling prophecy. It works by first making a claim, then treating people in such a way that makes the claim appear true. But had they never treated the people based upon that presumption, it would have never manifested the reaction that worked to prove it true. Living under white supremacy for 400 years has undeniable had the impact psychologically upon blacks to condition a good percentage to see the black masses, if not themselves, as inferior. If you tell people enough times, they begin to believe it. If you then create a society of white privilege and dominance, then folks will consciously reconcile it by accepting the propaganda of black racial inferiority and white superiority.

At 11:20 AM, Blogger Faheem said...

As Promised here is the piece I wrote and posted on TBWT back in tha day. This study did include Black men and women and as NOah has hinted at in his response to Scott asking about it, Black folk reacted the same way shooting Black men more than white men. Scott you can research these stsudies if you want.

Professor Charles Judd from the University of Colorado and Professor Anthony Greenwald from the University of Washington have each done independent studies on racial biases people have. These tests were conducted without one knowing of the other and yet both of them yielded the same results. The test was a virtual reality test where an individual is sat at a desk and a device with two buttons on it is placed in front of them, they are then presented with pictures of men holding a gun, coke can, cell phone, or a wallet. The person taking the test has a split second to think about what to do, press the green button to shoot the person holding the object in his hand or press the red button to not shoot the person holding the object in his hand. The majority of the test takers shot Black men holding coke cans, cell phones etc more than they did white men holding the same object. The shocking part of the test is that Black men and women who took the test shot Black men at the same rate white men and women shot them.

The demonization of Black men is not only affecting the psyche of white men and women but it has infected the mind of Black men and women. The destruction of the Black male image is real and has been an ongoing thing for hundreds of years.

At 6:54 PM, Blogger Scott said...

What is the CONTROL group in the experiment ?

Crap science is rampant.

At 7:28 PM, Blogger NmagiNATE said...


Black testers wouldn't be the automatic CONTROL group...
So what is your malfunction?

What was the purpose of the study?
What were they trying to test or find out?

That would determine what the CONTROL group would be... not whatever would make CRACKPOTS like you happy with your assorted ways to try to exonerate The Whites You Love The Most.

Now, demonstrate how the study didn't have the appropriate CONTROL group for what it set out to test or consider you belligerent ignorance dismissed! lol

At 8:38 PM, Blogger NmagiNATE said...

________________ S C O T T _____________________

It's actually pretty ironic but the CONTROL GROUP scientifics really destroys much of your "personal responsibility" philosophy.

Imagine that... Ha! Ha!

At 6:50 AM, Blogger NmagiNATE said...

___________________ S C O T T ______________________

Here's info. straight from the study (or one of them):

"People tend to misidentify harmless objects as weapons when the objects are associated with African Americans.

*** ...Finally, the bias occurs among African American participants as well as among White Americans (Correll et al., 2002). ***

These findings are of theoretical and practical interest because they link recent advances in
implicit prejudice research with ***significant socio-political events***, such as the mistaken shooting deaths of Amadou Diallo..."


So right there you have it. The study was done with the fully understanding that the same bias occurs among African-Americans. However, the research stated emphasis it would seem is not on whether all people, Black or White, would respond the same way or differently... the focus is on the socio-politically SIGNIFICANT!

It goes without saying that Shoot/Don't Shoot Time Stressed Decision-Making is much more SIGNIFICANT in reality as it relates to understanding WHITE PERCEPTIONS as opposed to Black's. It's of more practical significants because most police officers are White and most Americans are also.

So, such a study that focused on Whites to the exclusion of Blacks (as "control" testers) is merely trying to go directly to the (most) socially significant.

At 12:56 PM, Blogger Scott said...

So you made the point that blacks can't be the control group.

But the point is you still need a control group.

Otherwise its not science.

At 3:32 PM, Blogger NmagiNATE said...


Get off of it.
The study has its control based on what it was trying to find. You can Pontificate On Your Ignorance all day... 365. You can't say that the study didn't have a control and haven't substantiated that it did not and what it should have been.

You and I know you have no interest in speaking fondly of the study because its doesn't support your ideology or whatever you feel your purpose is in raising baseless objections to it.

You can't point out where they scientifically erred. You just had to admit that the lack of Black Testers did not prejudice the results or violate scientific standards. Now, because you're too Intellectual Lazy to verify whether the study had a CONTROL group or not, you want us to believe just on your word that somehow the study is flawed but you can't exactly say how.

Sorry SCOTT... You already struck out. You don't get another chance at bat here with that BS! lol


At 5:28 PM, Blogger BIKO said...

Hi, don't forget that most whites will make reference to (crime statitics) amongs blacks as justification for their bias, If they admit to it at all.


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